Season 14 of League of Legends may prove the most incredible yet, with all the changes made to the map and items. One of the roles has especially seen serious upheaval, and players still can’t say clearly whether it’s good or not: That role is the ADC.

Over the past day, players on the League of Legends subreddit have been having at it, with discussions on ADCs and their current state. One Jan. 28 thread criticized ADC players for complaining about the role, saying that they have always been in “the worst state” and that those who play it always find something to complain about.

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